But Narayanan is optimistic at a macro level about India's place in the emerging order. "We have a young population, an English-speaking population, a large technical base. So if we focus on skilling and innovation, we can be not just part of the new ecosystem, but drive the ecosystem. If you see many other countries, they have an ageing population, and they cannot as easily and cost-effectively skill their people."
She is also unfazed about the gradual erosion of India's original advantage in IT—wage competitiveness.
"But look at all the new advantages we now have. The internet originally allowed the work to flow to India. Now with the cloud, any developer sitting, let's say at the Nasscom garage here, can download an API, develop a solution and sell it. A lot of the traditional barriers to entry Indian entrepreneurs faced in terms of access to high technology, access to capital and access to distribution systems, are all vanishing.
"Yes there is disruption, but it is leading to opportunities for innovation. We are today the third most active startup community in the world. The possibilities are in fact really remarkable."
Perhaps Narayanan is able to see the positive side to disruption because over a 28-year career, she has seen IBM embrace change and pivot in new directions successfully multiple times.
Critics of the Indian IT industry say that there is too much commoditized work with very little innovation and differentiation. Since cost then becomes the only leverage, margins inevitably go south. The slice of the sector that is seen as completely commoditized is the so-called enterprise applications development and maintenance business. It helps large companies maintain internal applications developed during the mainframe era, among other services. It's a low-margin business but continues to contribute a significant chunk of revenues to most Indian IT companies.
Will IBM continue in that business for much longer?
Narayanan points out that IBM has been a leader of sorts in exiting businesses, even profitable ones, that are not aligned with its overall strategy. This is of course true. IBM used to make PCs, servers and semi conductors. Not anymore. In India, during the boom time in the so-called Business Process Outsourcing sector, IBM's Daksh unit used to be a leading call centre operator. When that business became commoditized, it lost no time in exiting it.
But Narayanan says there is no case to exit the enterprise applications business as yet. "App management is not a business. It's a spectrum. And it's not a black and white case. There are 250 shades of grey in between. Sure there are some parts that are commoditized, which we may or may not do, but there are some parts of it that are still fundamental to our clients' business and it's not accurate to call it a commoditized business."
Can Watson help solve India's great problems and is IBM working with the government to make that happen?
She almost jumps at the question. "I have always, always said that Watson is for India. Because what does Watson do? It can solve problems at scale..." And India of course needs large-scale problems to be solved.
She talks about the serious supply-demand gap India has in education—and possible solutions. Watson, for instance, can be a great personalized tutor. It can adapt to every learner's speed, prior knowledge and so on, and help in teaching.
"We do a lot of work with the government's skills development mission. They have councillors in the thousands and applicants in the lakhs." This is an ideal problem for Watson, which can match jobs and skills in a CV and add a layer of data about location, hobbies and so on, and do it way quicker and at scale than is humanly possible.
Only the woman can give birth, but the child can be raised by both parents. So we need to make sure the policies are available holistically to both...Vanitha Narayanan
My thoughts quickly run to the day Watson will take my job. If at a fundamental level my job is to select and publish stories on this website that the most number of our readers will engage with, Watson can quite likely get really good at it, with long-term data traffic and engagement data. Many news organizations already are experimenting with bots on commoditized news copy, like markets or sports scores. When robots are news editors, will they still be accused of political bias, I wonder.
I ask Narayanan about diversity. When she was named to the job in 2013, Narayanan was among the first women to hold the top job at a major IT company in India—in more than two decades of the industry. Aruna Jayanthi had become CEO at Capgemini India by then and Accenture India has since got Rekha Menon in the corner office. But none of the major home-grown IT companies have ever had a woman CEO.
Narayanan says that is a question best directed to those companies. "I'm fortunate to work at a company where gender has never been an issue. It's a complete meritocracy."
When it comes to policies to promote gender diversity, Narayanan says it is important to factor in the realities of parenting for both men and women. "Only the woman can give birth, but the child can be raised by both parents. So we need to make sure the policies are available holistically to both so each family can decide what is best for them."
In India, IBM now engages with family members when a woman staffer proceeds on a maternity break. "The support of the family is crucial in their return to the work place. Spouse, in-laws, parents. So we have education programmes. We have them come in to get a sense of the place and our culture.
"You can't do it alone. I have said this also from my personal perspective. You need people to opt in with you. The more people say it's our job, the easier it gets."
She also points out that this kind of flexibility does not apply only to women. "I had a male colleague who said he wanted to shift roles because his son was in Class X and he didn't want to travel as much. There are people whose parents are not doing too well so they have to balance that."
She then tells me the story of the first interview call she got from IBM in 1987.
The person on the other end wanted her to fly in the very next day from Houston to St. Louis. They had a hiring freeze coming up and they had to fill the role before that. "And he said, 'I understand that your husband travels a lot and you have a three-year-old. Since this is such a short notice and you might not find someone to take care of the child, please bring her along, and we will have someone look after her while you go through the interview process.' That to me was huge. Those days you went to interviews where you were just an employee. No family, no personal stuff."
A few weeks after she joined IBM, Narayanan's daughter came down with chicken pox. And she had no leave or off days. "So my then boss said, 'Look, you take these manuals and go home. You can read them at home. You have got to take care of your little one, and that's not an off day.' This kind of thing really helps you bond with a company."
And sure enough, Narayanan never left IBM.